bikeit wrote:I supply the bikes and helmets because my proposed clients will not have them. I have a converted campertrailer that can carry 16 bicycles safely and securely, (if I ever have 16 bookings!)which I then drive up to Warburton. I provide Morning Tea at Mt Evelyn (which I must carry in a vehicle) Provide a BBQ lunch at Warburton (food which I must carry in a vehicle). Then escort them to La La Falls.
bikeit wrote: ................... When I did my research I found I could do bike tours all over the world. There are existing bike tour businesses in the rural areas but how many operate with a pick up and drop off in Melbourne offering a combination of biking and hiking?? None.
GreenAlias wrote:bikeit wrote: ................... When I did my research I found I could do bike tours all over the world. There are existing bike tour businesses in the rural areas but how many operate with a pick up and drop off in Melbourne offering a combination of biking and hiking?? None.
If you're determined to overcome obstacles and get this venture growing you may need to tweak your business model a little until there is sufficient revenue to cover costs. I suspect that most potential customers would consider having a guide to be much more important than morning tea & lunch being included in the booking fee. Having an on-bicycle guide also means you only have to bring out the sag wagon when it's really necessary.
bikeit wrote:Employing a guide costs money, this puts the price up. Increases chance of staffing issues.
eg Guide for a day $300 plus super plus work cover. Lets say $350 ( plus I need to find one for the day of the tour so advertising?. They don't grow on trees and I don't have regular departures yet! Then I need to train them in the itinerary and expectations, uniform etc. ) So Dalai $35 an hour would mean you cost me $350 for 10 hours. You would need to help me load up the trailer and check bikes, 7am start returning to Lilydale 5pm.
It is a rail trail so it should be easy to follow without a guide. I meet them at cross roads and I provide them with maps.
Sag wagon, Driver $300 plus super plus work cover $350 plus vehicle hire? $100 per day plus fuel $200 per day if a minibus. Lets say $500 for driver car, fuel rego insurance etc. Plus I need to organise pick up and drop off during their business hours!!!8am -4.30pm!!!
Bicycle trailer maintenance repairs, insurance rego Lets say $500 P.A
Parks Victoria Licence fees $275 per annum plus $2.50 per person per day.
Public Liability. $2800 p.a
Foods serving licence $450 pa
Tourism accreditation $300 pa
Eco tourism accreditation $675 pa
Advertising to find clients. The sky is the limit, with brochures, ads, flyers, internet ads, Marketing guru, Pay to be in tourist display boards, student union halls, 20- 30% Commissions to selling agents.
bikeit wrote: .............. am just trying to find customers
GreenAlias wrote:bikeit wrote: .............. am just trying to find customers
From the figures & methodology outlined in your post (above) it's clear that you are trying to cater for the wealthy, lazy, pampered tourists - perhaps like the people you have seen on your bus tours. These sort of people are never going to ride bikes. You need to aim for the hardy backpackers & independent tourists (the sort that wouldn't be seen dead on a bus) who are fit & strong enough to do the journey - and relish more spartan conditions.
bikeit wrote:Thank you for your replies.It really interesting to see the range of thoughts and knowledge on the matter.This all helps me to see what the market wants and thinks about bike tours and to see the mentality of some of the cyclists out there. My first impression about cyclists mentality and belief was on The Great Victorian Bike Ride. A few sections of the ride was the possibility of riding on a rail trail. One day we were informed that ALL riders must ride on the trail from Mansfield to Alexandra. No riding on the road. This was a direction given by the Police for our safety at the evening announcements. I was astounded to sit with a large group during dinner that night and their anger at the change in riding conditions. They were going to complain bitterly to the organisers about the change maybe because they had road bikes with "baloon "type tyres. I must admit,there were a lot of punctures on the trail. Plus I have ridden ridden with riders who make their claim of the road space and then get angry when car honk at them. For me if I had a choice between riding on a road designed for vehicles or riding on a trail, the trail would win every time. If you did not already know a life was lost on the road during the Great Vic Bike ride making my point more valid.
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