210 v. 250 km?

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210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 10:43 am

This morning Vidman suggested that I hold off from enrolling in a particular ride, so that I can have a chance to see whether I would manage the 250 km ride. (Far too soon for me to tell yet, while I've been training for such a short amount of time, and am still slow.) I had been assuming that the rides would fill up too quickly, and I would have to just settle for the 210 km rather than risk missing out. Any suggestions? I realise perhaps not many people attempt the 250 km their first time, going from zero level training..... but on the other hand I'm guessing lots of people who do the 210 km their first time would be capable of the 250 km, just adding a couple of hours. It would all depend on what kind of speed I would be able to keep up for 14 hours of cycling :shock: !

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby baudman » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 10:48 am

Going on previous experience, pay up for your preferred 210km route. In the weeks prior, there's often people wanting to swap. You should be able to trade up to a 250km, should you wish to.

But give it a think, as Viddy says. You've got 3 weeks to decide. ;)

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby parawolf » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 10:57 am

Take a conservative ride first time, and do the Melbourne -> Sorrento -> Melbourne (eg: no Ferry to Queenscliff).

In fact this is a ride you can do any weekend with vastly fewer riders.
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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby Marx » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 11:55 am

A wrong turn & you'll be up for the 250 instead of the 210.
So you caa leave that decision for on the day if you like. :wink:
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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby RodC » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:06 pm

I did the 250km last year, having only done the 50km the year before.

I did plenty of training so didn't find the distance a problem. However I probably wouldn't bother doing the 250km again. Main reason being that the extra distance puts you onto a later ferry with more queues which really adds to the overall time. We got to Queenscliff at about 10:45 but ended up on the 12:30 ferry (which left about 12:45).

Conversely the one person in our group (your brother, I believe) who was doing the 210km got straight onto a ferry and beat us back by > 2hours.

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:37 pm

parawolf wrote:Take a conservative ride first time, and do the Melbourne -> Sorrento -> Melbourne (eg: no Ferry to Queenscliff).

In fact this is a ride you can do any weekend with vastly fewer riders.

That's 210 km is it?

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:37 pm

baudman wrote:Going on previous experience, pay up for your preferred 210km route. In the weeks prior, there's often people wanting to swap. You should be able to trade up to a 250km, should you wish to.

But give it a think, as Viddy says. You've got 3 weeks to decide. ;)


Good suggestion, thanks:)

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:38 pm

Marx wrote:A wrong turn & you'll be up for the 250 instead of the 210.
So you caa leave that decision for on the day if you like. :wink:


Seriously, is that acceptable? ARe they strict about it?

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:39 pm

RodC wrote:I did the 250km last year, having only done the 50km the year before.

I did plenty of training so didn't find the distance a problem. However I probably wouldn't bother doing the 250km again. Main reason being that the extra distance puts you onto a later ferry with more queues which really adds to the overall time. We got to Queenscliff at about 10:45 but ended up on the 12:30 ferry (which left about 12:45).

Conversely the one person in our group (your brother, I believe) who was doing the 210km got straight onto a ferry and beat us back by > 2hours.

Rod.

Wow, I could be getting back very late at night then, guessing that 250 km would have to be a very slow pace for me!

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeaza » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:50 pm

I would go for the 210, and probably the Sorrento return one to start with.

I think both our 210 and 250 ones we got back in time but were averaging around 30kph the whole way the weather was good both those years.

The trips that include ferry get longer the slower you are because of waiting times, and if you're going clockwise, if you aren't quick enough you miss the Westgate bridge closing and have to take a detour.

The other thing is with the Sorrento Return one, there are no limits in numbers, so you don't have to sign up on the first 3 days like last year to get a spot (which happens for the anti-clockwise 210 and 250).

As for doing the wrong distance... I don't think it's that good to buy a 210 ticket fully intending to do the 250, but there are enough people that buy 250 tickets because they missed out on the 210, never intending to do the 250, that it probably all evens out.

The 250 was a LONG wait for the ferry at Queenscliff, and if you were an hour or two slower than us then it's possible to miss the last one. I think there was one or two here last year who had a bad run and either JUST made the last one or missed it :(
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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby baudman » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:54 pm

Just one small comment on the Melb-Sorrento-Melb route.

There is something incredibly satisfying about looking at the weather forecast and saying... "I rode all the way around that". That isn't to say you can't do it in future years. But the ferry wait can be quite a long one, unfortunately.

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 12:58 pm

squeaza wrote:I would go for the 210, and probably the Sorrento return one to start with.

I think both our 210 and 250 ones we got back in time but were averaging around 30kph the whole way the weather was good both those years.

The trips that include ferry get longer the slower you are because of waiting times, and if you're going clockwise, if you aren't quick enough you miss the Westgate bridge closing and have to take a detour.

The other thing is with the Sorrento Return one, there are no limits in numbers, so you don't have to sign up on the first 3 days like last year to get a spot (which happens for the anti-clockwise 210 and 250).

As for doing the wrong distance... I don't think it's that good to buy a 210 ticket fully intending to do the 250, but there are enough people that buy 250 tickets because they missed out on the 210, never intending to do the 250, that it probably all evens out.

The 250 was a LONG wait for the ferry at Queenscliff, and if you were an hour or two slower than us then it's possible to miss the last one. I think there was one or two here last year who had a bad run and either JUST made the last one or missed it :(


Well that puts a different perspective on it:)!

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby RodC » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 1:02 pm

squeaza wrote:As for doing the wrong distance... I don't think it's that good to buy a 210 ticket fully intending to do the 250, but there are enough people that buy 250 tickets because they missed out on the 210, never intending to do the 250, that it probably all evens out.


That's what happened to me, I was originally going to do the 210 but it had sold out. so I signed up for the 250km. Of course once I did, I felt compelled to do the extra distance. :)
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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby squeazasis » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 1:25 pm

RodC wrote:
squeaza wrote:As for doing the wrong distance... I don't think it's that good to buy a 210 ticket fully intending to do the 250, but there are enough people that buy 250 tickets because they missed out on the 210, never intending to do the 250, that it probably all evens out.


That's what happened to me, I was originally going to do the 210 but it had sold out. so I signed up for the 250km. Of course once I did, I felt compelled to do the extra distance. :)

In my case, I just meant it in terms of buying a 210 ticket before they sell out, in case it were to turn out that I wasn't ready for the 250 km:)

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Re: 210 v. 250 km?

Postby Marx » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 3:09 pm

There are a lot of people out there who reckon the clockwise 210km direction is pox & would rather ‘miss out’ (enter another distance entirely) than do 210kms clockwise.

Doing the event for the first time, ‘Around the bay in a day’ should involve you riding ‘around the bay’ I reckon. The ferry wait is an element in that experience.
Riding Melb-Sorrento-Melb is a good ride, but it’s not Around the bay.
Also it’s good to be prepared & not to rely on friends or event staff for support if things go wrong, I think that is only polite if nothing else.

PS: the bit about entering 210km & doing the 250kms. It is actually that easy to ‘make the mistake’ & take the wrong route. Not sure if it actually makes a difference anywhere else (ie: more expensive to enter??)
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